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LifeLongLearner's avatar

Peter’s bold leadership and courageous adherence to exposing the truth gives me hope despite the pathetic resistance of so-called moral leaders to confront the horrors they are condoning. They mistakenly think that throwing around the name Hamas will protect them from scrutiny. People are waking up and I am hopeful that trend will continue so we all can be liberated from the lies before the Palestinians are completely exterminated by the Israelis.

John Costello's avatar

talk is too fast, nature is a good standard for listening speed, speeding it up is arbitrary and exclusive

John Costello's avatar

okay, great! Using the word ‘genocide’ didn't seem to have any effect whatsoever. So, I'll try it out.

Israel is a bloody liability to the human race!

I'll chk back, thanks

Bernie's avatar

The charge of blood libel was made against me by my children's liberal zionist mother after the slaughter in Gaza began and I said "I didn't know I had to hate another people to be part of a Jewish family". Turned out for hers I did, or at least be indifferent to suffering of Palestinians.

But like the character Kay Adams in the The Godfather I said this sickness that has been passed down to you will not be passed down to our children. And it hasn't. My daughter wears a watermelon hat and my son wears his Palestinian poppy sweat shirt each day and both will proudly tell you why. They both know as well as I that every ounce of freedom and justice we have, is held in the hands of the most vulnerable in our world. And right now it no more so true than for our Palestinian brothers and sisters. For good or bad the fate of Palestine is the fate of our collective world.

Fred Behringer's avatar

The cognitive dissonance is astounding. Humans are very flawed. A big irony is that religions have in so many instances reinforced those flaws. They do that on purpose for their power.

Valerie Miller's avatar

The debate over language and terminology is intentional and meant to distract from actual events. The dishonest arguments in support of Israel’s behavior over decades (not just the past two years) rely on the dehumanization of Palestinians, because it is only by dehumanizing Palestinians that one can approach anything like a defense of Israel’s actions. The “blood libel” label is just taking the absurdity of the argument to the next level, likely because the old "self-defense" arguments are no longer working. And whether you call it genocide, annihilation, mass murder, unending massacre, ethnic cleansing, well I’m not sure it matters because the outcome is the same. I wish that these flailing arguments represented the last gasp of the supremacist mentality. But I doubt it. Heartbreaking.

Seema's avatar

To israel: all violence is wrong..,especially against civilians.. occupation is not sustainable and I pray for a win -win for both peoples 🙏

Israel Goldstein's avatar

Valerie et al……basic law of physics and humanity…..every action has a reaction. Peter and all his travelers focus on the “oppression” suffered by the palestinians, but forget that the separation barrier, roadblocks & checkpoints were all in reaction to the cold-blooded murder of Israelis and Jews carried out by your newfound friends. There is a simple solution to all these problems, had the hostages been released, thousands of civilians wold not have died; had innocent Israelis and Jews not been murdered, the “opppression” you decry would not occur. So simply stop killing Jews and Israelis, accept that the Jews are not interlopers and have a historic right to live in Judea/Israel and peace might some day come to the area.

Valerie Miller's avatar

Yes, every action has a reaction. But you refuse to apply it to both sides. Rebellion doesn't happen in a vacuum. Palestinians have attempted non-violent protest and what happens? They are "mowed down" by the IDF. The reality is that two things can be true at once - Jews have been persecuted, and Jews also persecute. I'm constantly astonished at the inability of people like you to admit this simple human fact. Maybe someday you will recognize this and take responsibility for the horrors that the ill-conceived and poorly managed Israeli state hath wrought. Leveling entire communities (such as the Moroccan quarter), burning down bridges, villages and olive groves, bulldozing homes, stealing livestock, killing teenagers, closing shops, etc are actions that will most definitely provoke a reaction. Time to take some responsibility.

Seema's avatar

Thank you Valerie for speaking Truth. People are not meant to be caged up… so sorry for violence done against Israelis… as we can all see ungodly decision to practice collective punishment is backfiring… younger generations don’t even know why occupation occurred in first place.

Israel Goldstein's avatar

Seema, here are facts to Valerie's Truth...

Rebellion? you have the temerity to label pre-meditated cold blooded murder of unarmed Jewish men, women and children rebellion? Where were you when Jewish Blood was awash in SBarro, Bus Stops and Social Halls? How do you think the US, UK, France and othenr countries would have reacted. So please do some research before posting such drivel.

Israel Goldstein's avatar

Rebellion? you have the temerity to label pre-meditated cold blooded murder of unarmed Jewish men, women and children rebellion? Where were you when Jewish Blood was awash in SBarro, Bus Stops and Social Halls? How do you think the US, UK, France and othenr countries would have reacted. So please do some research before posting such drivel.

Jeffrey Ellis's avatar

As with so many who "think" like you do, history only begins at a fixed point in time your tribe can claim victimhood.

Read Tom Segev's biography of David Ben Gurion. You'll stop pretending that Zionism was ever a pure and benevolent enterprise.

You're no longer fooling anyone but yourselves.

Israel Goldstein's avatar

History and victimhood for the Jewish People? The two have been intertwined for over 2,000 years. My guess is that, for the first time since 136CE, the Jews are returning to their historical form. Pushing Back against their oppressors. Be they Selucids, Romans, Arafat-era Palestinains and Iran or most recently "liberals" who bought into the "Palestinian" cause; hook, line and sinker.

Bernie's avatar

Mr. Goldstein I often wonder if zionist like yourself believe your own lies? Or are they simply for other people's consumption?

Israel Goldstein's avatar

I guess facts are lies that contradict one's heartfelt beliefs.

Bernie's avatar

These “facts” of yours are the same zionist lies we have heard for decades from your fellow zionist. And people across the world and across the political spectrum, particular here in the U.S. can see through them. They don't work anymore.

You strike me as an old man and I might be content with these bigoted, supremist lies die with you and your generation. Unfortunately they are being passed down to an unlucky few, including some young Jewish people I care very much about. If you really care for the youth of the Jewish people you would stop directing them down a path of isolation and possible self destruction.

Israel Goldstein's avatar

Bernie, you have the temerity to label my family members' lived experiences lies? Perhaps you and Peter, ensconced in your ivory towers, need to come to terms with the road to the Jewish Peoples destruction you are paving.

Bernie's avatar

My ivory tower? I'm simply a professional gardener. But thank you, Mr Goldstein; I shall hence forth refer to myself as Professor Bernie.

But my profession has taught me one thing beyond doubt and debate. Like the Bible states, we reap just what we sow.

Deborah Taylor's avatar

The depraved dishonesty of this statement, and of this kind of statement, dehumanizes Jews as well.

David Reisman's avatar

Thanks for clearly describing what is actually being used to manipulate the Jewish community to be convinced that THEY are the real victims. How low have we gone. Thank you Peter.

elle m's avatar

The associated op-ed in The Jewish Journal by Rabbi Yitz Greenberg is jaw-dropping. Such a great intellectual leader, reduced to pitiful talking points about tunnels, human shields, tropes about the world’s most moral army. Regarding the well-documented record of starvation of Gazans, he simply denies it happened. What has happened to Yitz? It’s not even written with any sophistication. I truly don’t understand how this great mind & soul could abandon all of his values & intellectual rigor.

peter2's avatar

https://jewishjournal.com/commentary/opinion/386833/stop-the-blood-libel-before-it-kills-againand-again/

I would like Rabbi Yitz to name the "ideologically warped human rights organizations (who have identified with the worst aspects of their clients’ behavior, e.g. terror and genocidal impulses)".

He says that "the Jewish state is the only case of an indigenous people, exiled and displaced by conquerors, who came back and successfully regained and rebuilt their homeland." How common is this view that the Jewish people are indigenous to Palestine? Is that how an Orthodox rabbi would read the Hebrew Bible, which has an account of the Jewish people being the descendants of immigrants to Palestine from Mesopotamia?

Jeffrey Ellis's avatar

Not only that, but our Israelite ancestors slaughtered, exterminated and expelled those who inhabited the land prior to the Hebrews arrival. Yet we justify it all because our God said it was okay to do so.

Most of my fellow Jews don't really understand what the Torah tells us about our own past (if we can believe any of it). The Jews of ancient times were conquered by others just as we conquered existing tribes in order to establish the Kingdom (not nation) of Israel. Greenberg should know better than to haul out the old myths and tropes of the Bible used by non-believer Ben Gurion to justify our Second Coming in Palestine.

Basil Kiwan's avatar

This letter is another demonstration of the power of racism and Jewish supremacy

Jeanette Sarmiento's avatar

Reminds me of all those dreadful Westerns I sat through as a child that constantly repeated how savage and murderous the "Indians" were. The white "settlers" were always presented as moral, upstanding and on God's side

Alan Berg's avatar

Thank you Peter. You are completely wrong about Yitzhak Greenberg. He’s been a phony his whole career. The Israeli Chomsky

Hillel Schenker's avatar

The idea that calling what the IDF has been doing in Gaza a blood libel is absurd. And I think it's important to note that while Yossi Klein Halevi has evolved in his thinking, he was originally a member of racist Rabbi Meir Kahane's Jewish Defense League, so I'm not sure that the signatories to the letter can really be considered representatives of "the Jewish establishment". At the same time, I personally prefer not to use the term genocide to describe the horrific disproportionate Israeli response to Hamas' horrific attack on October 7th. I realize that it may meet the legal definition of genocide, but that has yet to be determined by the International Court of Justice. The reason I prefer not to use the term is that for the most Israeli Jews and Jews around the world, the term genocide is associated with numbers, 6 million Jews, one-third of the entire Jewish people, slaughtered by the Nazis during WW II with a clear "genocidal intent". What has happened in Gaza is horrific, but the dimensions are not the same, and there is also a question of whether there is "genocidal intent". I therefore prefer to use the term "major war crime', both for what Hamas did on October 7th, and for what the IDF has done (and is continuing to do) over the 2 year + war. At the same time, I understand and accept that others are using the term genocide, and don't consider it a blood libel. The main thing is to end these constant rounds of mutual violence and to arrive at a resolution of the conflict, for the sake of both the Israeli and the Palestinian people.

Alex Press's avatar

Shmuly Yanklowitz? Good grief. I admired his support for immigrants and also, more unusually, veganism. I also saw him conduct respectful and thoughtful conversations with Judith Butler and Daniel Boyarin. But then, when I saw the crude propaganda he was posting after October 7, I realized he was not who I thought he was. Peter is right about the abandonment of intellectual honesty that we see here, and I appreciate his calling it out.

peter2's avatar

I followed "The letter’s link to one paper published on the International Association of Genocide Scholars’ website accusing Hamas of genocide."

The author of that paper is Sara E. Brown, "the Regional Director of the American Jewish Committee, San Diego." OK. Her employer's public stance as a defender of the state of Israel is quite clear from its website's home page ( https://www.ajc.org/ ).

The main part of her paper is about "Hamas Intent." Most of it is about the Hamas charter that was drafted 38 years ago. She is correct in saying that "The original Hamas Charter articulates two primary aims for the terrorist organization: the end of the Jewish state and the creation of an Islamic state from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea." She seems to realize that this doesn't show an intent of genocide of Jews, but then, like all the hasbarists before her, she cites the part of Article 7 that quotes an ancient Islamic text and says that it shows that "Hamas clearly states its aspiration to realize the promise of seeking out and killing Jews."

She discredits herself by claiming that "In Article 20, we see Hamas employ Holocaust denial tropes, blaming the Holocaust on the Jewish people", when in fact Article 20 says nothing directly about the WW2 Holocaust of Jews in Europe; it just says that Jews are acting like Nazis.

So then she gets to statements from Hamas since October 7, 2023. To advance her case here, the author needs to find some comments from Hamas officials that indicate genocidal intent towards Jews. But she fails to do that; all she provides are a couple of quotes from a Hamas spokesman calling for the elimination of the state of Israel.

How about having Sara E. Brown on here as a guest?

Israel Goldstein's avatar

Peter,

You never fail to amaze me with your convulted reasoning. Lets talk about Human Rights Watch...the same group which appointed 2 Anti-Israel/anti-semetic individuals to "investigate" and author a piece concluding that denying Palestinians a right of return is a "Crime Against Humanity" (that is generation 3 of Palestinians. In realtion to Amnesty, which very, very belatedly labelled Hamas' actions (massacres of October 7th) everything but a genocide (not politically correct, I guess). You seem to have rose-colored glasses when it comes to you newfound friends. I wonder, though, would you have the Chalres Manson group be your houseguests? You see, the Arafat-era Palestinians have publicly and loudly stated their mission is to murder all Jews resinding in Israel..just like Manson did in his rampage. You see, the establishement Jews remember well to believe what people say; be it Trump or the Palestinians. That's why the Israeli's dare not invite in those determined to murder them.

peter2's avatar

"You see, the Arafat-era Palestinians have publicly and loudly stated their mission is to murder all Jews resinding in Israel"

Are you aware that the Israeli Jews have publicly and loudly called for "death to the Arabs"? And they haven't just done that in Israel: Maccabi fans did it in Amsterdam in 2024.

Hillel Schenker's avatar

As a Hapoel Tel Aviv fan (and Israeli peace activist), Maccabi Tel Aviv is the enemy. The irony of their fans call "death to the Arabs" in Amsterdam is that today their center forward is 19 year old Palestinian-Israeli Sayed Abu Farchi from the town of Baka al-Garbiyyeh in the Little Triangle area.

Maya Conegliano's avatar

Saying it’s “blood libel” to call the destruction of Gaza a genocide distorts the public’s understanding of the word “blood libel” at a time when the public really needs to have a clear understanding of what blood libel is and was. Antisemitism, conspiracy theories, and literal medieval blood libel are on the rise. QAnon, with its crazy stories about a secret cabal of elites that control the world and murder children to harvest adrenochrome from their blood, is pretty much just a pastiche of medieval blood libel and 20th century antisemitic tropes. Candice Owens, host of the 12th most popular podcast in the world, is out here claiming that Judaism is controlled from within by “Frankists” who murder Christian children. Why on earth are we allowing the meaning of the term “blood libel” to be distorted at a time like this? It makes it nearly impossible to explain what’s going on when actual literal blood libel shows up.

Jeff K's avatar

The Jewish Establishment has become so obsessed with antisemitism, it has become their own self-fulfilling prophecy. Unfortunately, those of us with a moral compass, have to go along for the ride.