Well, being Palestinian myself and the son of refugees I think i do have some idea. First, the Israeli governments of the last 20 years have not, as far as I know, support a 2-state solution. Second, your opinion is probably based on surveys done of Palestinians living in the West Bank only and not those still in Gaza, refugee camps an…
Well, being Palestinian myself and the son of refugees I think i do have some idea. First, the Israeli governments of the last 20 years have not, as far as I know, support a 2-state solution. Second, your opinion is probably based on surveys done of Palestinians living in the West Bank only and not those still in Gaza, refugee camps and the diaspora. Third, numerous studies have shown that while, as you say, Palestinians in the West Bank do support the 2-state solution in principle, their views change drastically when the details of what Israel has in mind are explained to them: Limited access to resources, all settlements stay in place, démilitarisation, financial subordination, Israeli control of security and intelligence etc…
First, Netanyahu himself, a right winger, said in his Bar Ilan speech "we are ready to agree to a real peace agreement, a demilitarized Palestinian state side by side with the Jewish state.” I would love to see an equivalent statement from any Palestinian government official, I don't think I ever have.
Second, my polls are from the Palestinian Centre for Survey and Research, which interviews Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza. In March 2020, only 33% of Palestinians supported a one-state. Show me a poll that says a majority of Palestinians don't want their own state. I'd love to see it.
But you didn't answer my question. How does a two state solution formally implement oppression? I'm very curious to hear this answer.
I actually did answer your question. And I really don’t want to engage in a discussion about how Netanyahu is a real dove and peace seeker while the Palestinians have never made any statement in support of peace.
I didn't say Netanyahu was a real dove. I don't think I need to participate in this conversation since you seem perfectly capable for carrying on both sides by yourself.
"Demilitarization" is the sticking point in the statement you've provided. Would Netanyahu "agree to a real peace agreement, a demilitarized [Jewish] state side by side with the [Palestinian] state"? I kind of doubt he would, no? As long as the two states would not be on equal terms—i.e. both actually sovereign—the idea of the two-state solution is a farce. Now, I'm not saying a two-state solution *couldn't* be legitimate, but rather that people like Netanyahu clearly do not actually want one, even when they say they do.
Of course, this is literally exactly what Moonface60 said, and with which you concurred, while somehow still claiming to disagree, so I don't trust that you're actually bothering to read anything here. If you want a citation that Netanyahu opposes the two-state solution... you've provided it yourself.
Moonface claimed that the Israeli government would never support a two state solution. I proved otherwise, and now you're moving the goalposts. Demilitarization is just one of many issues in the negotiations, not "the" sticking point. In terms of the states being on equal terms, winners and losers are never on equal terms. After WWII, Germany and Japan were demilitarized and today they're doing great. Palestine isn't special.
Well, being Palestinian myself and the son of refugees I think i do have some idea. First, the Israeli governments of the last 20 years have not, as far as I know, support a 2-state solution. Second, your opinion is probably based on surveys done of Palestinians living in the West Bank only and not those still in Gaza, refugee camps and the diaspora. Third, numerous studies have shown that while, as you say, Palestinians in the West Bank do support the 2-state solution in principle, their views change drastically when the details of what Israel has in mind are explained to them: Limited access to resources, all settlements stay in place, démilitarisation, financial subordination, Israeli control of security and intelligence etc…
First, Netanyahu himself, a right winger, said in his Bar Ilan speech "we are ready to agree to a real peace agreement, a demilitarized Palestinian state side by side with the Jewish state.” I would love to see an equivalent statement from any Palestinian government official, I don't think I ever have.
Second, my polls are from the Palestinian Centre for Survey and Research, which interviews Palestinians from the West Bank and Gaza. In March 2020, only 33% of Palestinians supported a one-state. Show me a poll that says a majority of Palestinians don't want their own state. I'd love to see it.
But you didn't answer my question. How does a two state solution formally implement oppression? I'm very curious to hear this answer.
I actually did answer your question. And I really don’t want to engage in a discussion about how Netanyahu is a real dove and peace seeker while the Palestinians have never made any statement in support of peace.
I didn't say Netanyahu was a real dove. I don't think I need to participate in this conversation since you seem perfectly capable for carrying on both sides by yourself.
"Demilitarization" is the sticking point in the statement you've provided. Would Netanyahu "agree to a real peace agreement, a demilitarized [Jewish] state side by side with the [Palestinian] state"? I kind of doubt he would, no? As long as the two states would not be on equal terms—i.e. both actually sovereign—the idea of the two-state solution is a farce. Now, I'm not saying a two-state solution *couldn't* be legitimate, but rather that people like Netanyahu clearly do not actually want one, even when they say they do.
Of course, this is literally exactly what Moonface60 said, and with which you concurred, while somehow still claiming to disagree, so I don't trust that you're actually bothering to read anything here. If you want a citation that Netanyahu opposes the two-state solution... you've provided it yourself.
Moonface claimed that the Israeli government would never support a two state solution. I proved otherwise, and now you're moving the goalposts. Demilitarization is just one of many issues in the negotiations, not "the" sticking point. In terms of the states being on equal terms, winners and losers are never on equal terms. After WWII, Germany and Japan were demilitarized and today they're doing great. Palestine isn't special.