"the Lenape aren’t proposing that New York City be given back to them. That would be ridiculous."
Funny, because that's exactly what Palestine is proposing. That Tel Aviv and Jaffa and Jerusalem and everything else in Israel be "given back" to them. That's what "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" means. I'm glad we can agr…
"the Lenape aren’t proposing that New York City be given back to them. That would be ridiculous."
Funny, because that's exactly what Palestine is proposing. That Tel Aviv and Jaffa and Jerusalem and everything else in Israel be "given back" to them. That's what "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" means. I'm glad we can agree that such a demand is "ridiculous."
Tell you what, you clean up your mess in the United States (and Canada, and Australia, and New Zealand) and solve all the many many injustices and problems with the indigenous peoples there, and once that's done, maybe then you can point fingers at Israel. Deal?
Anyway I’m glad to see you are continuing the proud tradition of justifying Stalin’s multiple genocides by pointing out that everybody else is racist, too!
My my, I seem to have struck a nerve. What citation would you like? I'd be happy to provide one for any of the points I've made.
What double standard are you referring to? If anyone has a double standard here, it's you. You're the one attacking Israel for being a settler colonial state while literally living on stolen land.
"You're the one attacking Israel for being a settler colonial state while literally living on stolen land."
Again, this is _literally_ the tu quoque argument, and I see you still haven't bothered to read anything about Landback. The double standard you are applying here is that Israel shouldn't be held to the same level of criticism that foreign leftists apply to their own states.
Anyway the [citation needed] was IIRC for this:
"Palestine is proposing that Tel Aviv and Jaffa and Jerusalem and everything else in Israel be 'given back' to them."
Even as I fully expect you can find a citation of at least one Palestinian proposing the mass deportation of Israeli Jews, I also expect you will have some difficulty qualifying that source as "Palestine" as a whole. There are Israelis who propose the eventual deportation of West Bank Palestinians, and I don't think you would consider them representative, either, no?
There will always be usefully evil extremists perfectly willing to help make their enemy's point. Al Qaeda attacked America, yes, because they didn't like having US troops in Saudi Arabia, but more importantly because Al Qaeda's ideology depended on us being the Kafir giving them the apocalyptic Jihad their ideology depended on. ("Notice me!" basically.) Al Qaeda helpfully proved American warhawks' point, and American warhawks helpfully proved Al Qaeda's point, too, in a perfect handshake meme of death and destruction.
Regarding hitting a nerve: clearly, yes, I found dealing with you and Anonymous extraordinarily stressful, so I turned off email alerts and took a break. Are you happy? I'm certainly not (lol). Does being so aggravating that someone puts you on mute help prove any of your points? I would really hesitate to say that it does.
"The double standard you are applying here is that Israel shouldn't be held to the same level of criticism that foreign leftists apply to their own states."
It's more like Israel is being held to a HIGHER level of criticism than foreign leftists apply to their own states. Maybe once American leftists have returned all of their country's stolen land, they can criticize other countries for doing that. Fair?
" Anyway the [citation needed] was IIRC for this: "Palestine is proposing that Tel Aviv and Jaffa and Jerusalem and everything else in Israel be 'given back' to them."
Happy to provide such a citation. "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" is routinely chanted at Palestinian and pro-Palestinian rallies, and I assume you know what that is referring to. But I assume you'll want some government officials, and I have that as well, from the heads of Hamas, the democratically elected representatives of the Palestinian people:
" Mr. Haniya said: “Today we say it clearly. Armed resistance and armed struggle are the strategic way to liberate the Palestinian land from the sea to the river.”
And again: "Mr. Meshal said: “Palestine is ours from the river to the sea and from the south to the north. There will be no concession on any inch of the land.”
Interesting that you find Internet conversations stressful and aggravating. I've never experienced that. I think if your views were more refined and principled, you wouldn't find people who disagree with them so stressful.
"the Lenape aren’t proposing that New York City be given back to them. That would be ridiculous."
Funny, because that's exactly what Palestine is proposing. That Tel Aviv and Jaffa and Jerusalem and everything else in Israel be "given back" to them. That's what "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" means. I'm glad we can agree that such a demand is "ridiculous."
Tell you what, you clean up your mess in the United States (and Canada, and Australia, and New Zealand) and solve all the many many injustices and problems with the indigenous peoples there, and once that's done, maybe then you can point fingers at Israel. Deal?
The “tu quoque” defense of Israel is so nakedly antisemitic I don’t even know where to start.
Ethiopia perpetrating a genocide against the Ethiopian Jews? Not Israel’s prerogative to criticize, since Israel has problems, too! 🙄
Anyway I’m glad to see you are continuing the proud tradition of justifying Stalin’s multiple genocides by pointing out that everybody else is racist, too!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes
The fact that you’re openly embracing “tu quoque” argumentation is truly a demonstration of the best of faith. Bravo!
[citation needed]
So if having a double standard is is antisemitic, and having a consistent standard is hypocritical, I guess you’d rather be an antisemite?
If the United States should keep to itself, I guess we should stop giving Israel billions of dollars of military aid, no?
My my, I seem to have struck a nerve. What citation would you like? I'd be happy to provide one for any of the points I've made.
What double standard are you referring to? If anyone has a double standard here, it's you. You're the one attacking Israel for being a settler colonial state while literally living on stolen land.
"You're the one attacking Israel for being a settler colonial state while literally living on stolen land."
Again, this is _literally_ the tu quoque argument, and I see you still haven't bothered to read anything about Landback. The double standard you are applying here is that Israel shouldn't be held to the same level of criticism that foreign leftists apply to their own states.
Anyway the [citation needed] was IIRC for this:
"Palestine is proposing that Tel Aviv and Jaffa and Jerusalem and everything else in Israel be 'given back' to them."
Even as I fully expect you can find a citation of at least one Palestinian proposing the mass deportation of Israeli Jews, I also expect you will have some difficulty qualifying that source as "Palestine" as a whole. There are Israelis who propose the eventual deportation of West Bank Palestinians, and I don't think you would consider them representative, either, no?
There will always be usefully evil extremists perfectly willing to help make their enemy's point. Al Qaeda attacked America, yes, because they didn't like having US troops in Saudi Arabia, but more importantly because Al Qaeda's ideology depended on us being the Kafir giving them the apocalyptic Jihad their ideology depended on. ("Notice me!" basically.) Al Qaeda helpfully proved American warhawks' point, and American warhawks helpfully proved Al Qaeda's point, too, in a perfect handshake meme of death and destruction.
Regarding hitting a nerve: clearly, yes, I found dealing with you and Anonymous extraordinarily stressful, so I turned off email alerts and took a break. Are you happy? I'm certainly not (lol). Does being so aggravating that someone puts you on mute help prove any of your points? I would really hesitate to say that it does.
"The double standard you are applying here is that Israel shouldn't be held to the same level of criticism that foreign leftists apply to their own states."
It's more like Israel is being held to a HIGHER level of criticism than foreign leftists apply to their own states. Maybe once American leftists have returned all of their country's stolen land, they can criticize other countries for doing that. Fair?
" Anyway the [citation needed] was IIRC for this: "Palestine is proposing that Tel Aviv and Jaffa and Jerusalem and everything else in Israel be 'given back' to them."
Happy to provide such a citation. "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" is routinely chanted at Palestinian and pro-Palestinian rallies, and I assume you know what that is referring to. But I assume you'll want some government officials, and I have that as well, from the heads of Hamas, the democratically elected representatives of the Palestinian people:
" Mr. Haniya said: “Today we say it clearly. Armed resistance and armed struggle are the strategic way to liberate the Palestinian land from the sea to the river.”
And again: "Mr. Meshal said: “Palestine is ours from the river to the sea and from the south to the north. There will be no concession on any inch of the land.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/09/world/middleeast/khaled-meshal-hamas-leader-delivers-defiant-speech-on-anniversary-celebration.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/15/world/middleeast/on-anniversary-hamas-repeats-vows-on-israel-and-violence.html
Interesting that you find Internet conversations stressful and aggravating. I've never experienced that. I think if your views were more refined and principled, you wouldn't find people who disagree with them so stressful.