Can't say it any better than this: "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye." Matthew 7: 3-5
My self as a leftist in israel, has a lot of critisism towards jewish extremist and supported to stop the settelments, ive never foold myself, that the palestinains dont have thier own extremist and that they themselvs dont end up causing palestinias death and help the conflict keep going. One of the left and the arab world and the palestinians biggest mistake is letting extremist like hamas and others have the exuses that this article tends to push, becuase it dosnt want to give israel use exuses of itself. It ended up empowering hamas and its time to face some ugly truth, hamas shares responsibility for every day there is a blockaed on gaza, it shars responsibility for each death that happend in one of the operations just as much as israel. It is its own tactic to be that way. I tried to looked it up, how many death were in gaza before hamas rose to power and only found an article in harretz in 2005, from 1967 to 2005 it wrote, around 2600 deaths, in around 38 years, from 2007 til 2021 in much less time we have gone beyond that number, and hamas could have avoided it, im not saying the number of deaths isnt also israel fault and that actions of military personal dont share responsibility, and im not blaming it all on hamas, but after 7 year period israel didnt attack in gaza, i think it proved that it rather avoided milatery operations if it could, that hamas shares responsibilty in creating. Im thinking what had happend if hamas didnt kidnap 3 children and killed them, or sent 13 fighters into israel through tunnels or launched rockets at jerusalem, could the operations been avoided? By letting palestinians militia be exused for thier violence we ended up causing more palestinians death and possibily a blockade that didnt have to last all these years. If we will remove the blockade and open there will be more terror attacks, this isnt based on what if but on hamas and like actions through all these years, so death for each side will rise and continu until mabey again another blockade. Im tired, i am and i am afriad for people i love (im sure palestinians who have more death and casulties are too). Hamas and others needs to disband its military arm and create a police force, and we cant lie and promise it will all just work out just right, but there will be better chance, and stop lying for political cause that it will lead to more death for palestinians, the numbers dont help the hamas armed argument that much. Its time to stop falling in love in a narretive and make desicions that will actually benefit the people, hamas disarmed, freeze settelments bulding, and yes you can advocate for both. This argument that tries to exuse palestinian violence, will perhaps only help the conflict keep going more as it already had in my opinion.
I watched your New Zionist Congress debate. It was sad for me because there was nothing especially Jewish about Josh’s worldview, and yet that’s what we’re up against.
I'll be blunt: Nina Turner may not have 'singled out' Jewish money, but she might as well have: the largest donor to Shontel Brown was Democratic Majority for Israel (by a lot: they were responsible for $2M in donations), and one of the largest PAC donations to her campaign was through a Pro-Israeli PAC. Of the $2.6M in outside funding directly supporting Brown: 75% of it came from Pro-Israeli groups.
I will also add there are plenty of examples of Anti-Semitism at Pro-Palestinian rallies, and Anti-Semitism regularly gets ignored by the 'progressive' wing of the Democratic Party. Despite experiencing similar spikes in Anti-Semitism recently, Jews have largely been ignored.
In your haste to condemn Pro-Israeli groups for "not telling the full story" you seem to have done so yourself.
Yeah sure, the "new anti-Semitism" increases (Anything that's critical of Isreal or it's founding ideology or the ethnic cleansing that it is founded upon) but people hear anti-Semitism is on the rise and they conflate any critique or any negativity towards Israel to it being to entire Jewish diaspora worldwide.
also worthy of mention that the new anti-semitism definition came about to silence any critique or anything negative said about Israel, so you forgot that from the narrative aswell
Peter needs to tell people he seeks dismantling of Israel--who are outside of his circle--to be forthright. Not sure he did this when spoke to B&J franchisees.
is there an ongoing forum for sustained discussion of these urgent issues facing the community? a forum that is dedicated to forging consensus as the only way to surmount our current challenges?
gee, I don't think I have a paid sub. but in any case, I'm not talking about these kinds of short, async comments. this method never seems to produce consensus, does it, Josh?
Can't say it any better than this: "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye." Matthew 7: 3-5
My self as a leftist in israel, has a lot of critisism towards jewish extremist and supported to stop the settelments, ive never foold myself, that the palestinains dont have thier own extremist and that they themselvs dont end up causing palestinias death and help the conflict keep going. One of the left and the arab world and the palestinians biggest mistake is letting extremist like hamas and others have the exuses that this article tends to push, becuase it dosnt want to give israel use exuses of itself. It ended up empowering hamas and its time to face some ugly truth, hamas shares responsibility for every day there is a blockaed on gaza, it shars responsibility for each death that happend in one of the operations just as much as israel. It is its own tactic to be that way. I tried to looked it up, how many death were in gaza before hamas rose to power and only found an article in harretz in 2005, from 1967 to 2005 it wrote, around 2600 deaths, in around 38 years, from 2007 til 2021 in much less time we have gone beyond that number, and hamas could have avoided it, im not saying the number of deaths isnt also israel fault and that actions of military personal dont share responsibility, and im not blaming it all on hamas, but after 7 year period israel didnt attack in gaza, i think it proved that it rather avoided milatery operations if it could, that hamas shares responsibilty in creating. Im thinking what had happend if hamas didnt kidnap 3 children and killed them, or sent 13 fighters into israel through tunnels or launched rockets at jerusalem, could the operations been avoided? By letting palestinians militia be exused for thier violence we ended up causing more palestinians death and possibily a blockade that didnt have to last all these years. If we will remove the blockade and open there will be more terror attacks, this isnt based on what if but on hamas and like actions through all these years, so death for each side will rise and continu until mabey again another blockade. Im tired, i am and i am afriad for people i love (im sure palestinians who have more death and casulties are too). Hamas and others needs to disband its military arm and create a police force, and we cant lie and promise it will all just work out just right, but there will be better chance, and stop lying for political cause that it will lead to more death for palestinians, the numbers dont help the hamas armed argument that much. Its time to stop falling in love in a narretive and make desicions that will actually benefit the people, hamas disarmed, freeze settelments bulding, and yes you can advocate for both. This argument that tries to exuse palestinian violence, will perhaps only help the conflict keep going more as it already had in my opinion.
I watched your New Zionist Congress debate. It was sad for me because there was nothing especially Jewish about Josh’s worldview, and yet that’s what we’re up against.
I'll be blunt: Nina Turner may not have 'singled out' Jewish money, but she might as well have: the largest donor to Shontel Brown was Democratic Majority for Israel (by a lot: they were responsible for $2M in donations), and one of the largest PAC donations to her campaign was through a Pro-Israeli PAC. Of the $2.6M in outside funding directly supporting Brown: 75% of it came from Pro-Israeli groups.
I will also add there are plenty of examples of Anti-Semitism at Pro-Palestinian rallies, and Anti-Semitism regularly gets ignored by the 'progressive' wing of the Democratic Party. Despite experiencing similar spikes in Anti-Semitism recently, Jews have largely been ignored.
In your haste to condemn Pro-Israeli groups for "not telling the full story" you seem to have done so yourself.
Yeah sure, the "new anti-Semitism" increases (Anything that's critical of Isreal or it's founding ideology or the ethnic cleansing that it is founded upon) but people hear anti-Semitism is on the rise and they conflate any critique or any negativity towards Israel to it being to entire Jewish diaspora worldwide.
also worthy of mention that the new anti-semitism definition came about to silence any critique or anything negative said about Israel, so you forgot that from the narrative aswell
Peter needs to tell people he seeks dismantling of Israel--who are outside of his circle--to be forthright. Not sure he did this when spoke to B&J franchisees.
I thought Chairman of Board of B&J partly focused on Palestinian advocacy. Oakland Institute. Seems to have an impact.
is there an ongoing forum for sustained discussion of these urgent issues facing the community? a forum that is dedicated to forging consensus as the only way to surmount our current challenges?
It would be nice if that was here! It appears some people are paying $7 a month just for the ‘privilege‘ of trolling.
gee, I don't think I have a paid sub. but in any case, I'm not talking about these kinds of short, async comments. this method never seems to produce consensus, does it, Josh?