I have another perspective. I don't think political pressure or movements in the West will do anything to change Western governments' policies towards Israel. But Israel is imploding. It probably will have collapsed by the next presidential election, if not sooner. And the US dollar will have crashed as well so this argument is moot. In fact, I expect an economic "emergency" or "crisis" in the US right after the election or at least by January 21st. There isn't much difference between Harris and Trump because they aren't the ones developing these policies. They are puppets. So you might as well vote your conscience which, for me, is neither. I will never forget my German Jewish friend's outrage when I bought a 1971 VW bus--her reason was "the Holocaust" and "supporting Hitler". So how can I possibly vote for either Harris or Trump? I cannot. We don't have a democracy and we never have had one. Let's stop pretending on that score. If we want a democracy, we have a lot of work to do. I read a fascinating article early this morning about Blinken and his antecedents, especially his father and stepfather. In effect, Mossad is already in the White House. Blinken was an associate of Jeffrey Epstein with all that implies. Why maintain this pretense? You want us to vote for the Mossad to run our foreign policy? Seriously? The economy will crash and that will disable our support for Israel. Mission accomplished. I don't think Trump is going to win. But even if he does, his hands are going to be manacled soon enough by either a failing economy or a court room's bailiff.
If you read French, check out Jacob Cohen's "Le Printemps des Sayanim".
Respectfully, I disagree with your very first point. Expressed public opinion toward Israel has changed MASSIVELY since 10/6/23. Ask Mr. Beinart if, before 10/6, he could have even imagined the amount of public support for Palestinian rights that has emerged since.
It will take time for that to result in political change, but it is definitely possible, and there is a hugely disparate likelihood of that happening depending on which candidate wins.
I've been alive considerably longer than Peter Beinart and dealing with this issue probably several decades longer than him. The attitudes towards Israel have changed more than massively. In the early 70's I was attacked and spit on more times than I care to remember by American Jews for simply and very mildly (for me) stating that Palestinians have human rights too. Back then I never imagined attitudes in the US would change as much as they already have. NO WAY. They haven't changed enough, obviously, since there are still a lot of American Jews (and goyim) who can watch Israel commit genocide and still defend Israel. My point is that it's too slow and it doesn't matter because the economy is going to FORCE a change in foreign policy. In fact, Israel may not be around to give money to. Be aware that the Zionist propaganda machine is in over-drive right now so unless you are listening to Resistance spokespeople and taking them seriously, you aren't dealing with the facts on the ground. Israel is going to be forced out of Lebanon, out of Gaza, out of the West Bank, and with all the hostilities it will fall in on itself. The more militaristic it behaves, the more push-back it will receive, the more Israeli Europeans and Americans will leave. That's the ruling and middle class. Without their fantasy Disneyland version of "the holy land", the state of Israel will cease to exist. It's just a wet dream with NO basis in reality. So it doesn't really matter who you vote for. It's DONE. My point is both the US and Israeli economies will effect the change needed before any political organizing will.
Ignoring the benefit of a strong protest vote for Jill Stein in non swing states seems shortsighted and an example of marching in lockstep, however possibly reluctant, with Dem establishment glossing over of the crucial difference between winning the Electoral College and winning the popular vote. Calling for voters in swing states to vote for Harris is reasonable and even sound(however distasteful)but calling for a blanket vote for Harris in all states undermines this pressure point on the Zionist Dem establishment. The most damning assertion from a chat commenter on last week's call with Peter regards Harris being overruled by handlers or grandees to prevent Ruwa Romman from speaking at the convention. The Dem establishment by spitting in the face of its own, incidentally exceedingly moderate seeming supporter(I mean this positively)needs to feel its current and future majorities endangered til it moves on the issue of Palestine away from Zionism.
The more the Trump success wakes folks up to the total bankruptcy of our system maybe there is hope. We don't have a democracy-we have neocons running our foreign policy and corporations running things domestically. Unless we reform from within our foul empire building will continue. Maybe some suffering at home might make us a bit more sympathetic to our victims overseas.
Hi Peter, I’m so grateful to be here. I just sent a letter to Kamala through her WH portal and would really appreciate it if you might take a look at it and let me know what you think.,I know it’s last minute but I’m hoping it comes to her attention in time and that it might possibly make a difference. https://open.substack.com/pub/gracedenise/p/dear-vice-president-kamala-harris?r=vl637&utm_medium=ios
PS. I just upgraded to become one of your paid subscribers!
I have another perspective. I don't think political pressure or movements in the West will do anything to change Western governments' policies towards Israel. But Israel is imploding. It probably will have collapsed by the next presidential election, if not sooner. And the US dollar will have crashed as well so this argument is moot. In fact, I expect an economic "emergency" or "crisis" in the US right after the election or at least by January 21st. There isn't much difference between Harris and Trump because they aren't the ones developing these policies. They are puppets. So you might as well vote your conscience which, for me, is neither. I will never forget my German Jewish friend's outrage when I bought a 1971 VW bus--her reason was "the Holocaust" and "supporting Hitler". So how can I possibly vote for either Harris or Trump? I cannot. We don't have a democracy and we never have had one. Let's stop pretending on that score. If we want a democracy, we have a lot of work to do. I read a fascinating article early this morning about Blinken and his antecedents, especially his father and stepfather. In effect, Mossad is already in the White House. Blinken was an associate of Jeffrey Epstein with all that implies. Why maintain this pretense? You want us to vote for the Mossad to run our foreign policy? Seriously? The economy will crash and that will disable our support for Israel. Mission accomplished. I don't think Trump is going to win. But even if he does, his hands are going to be manacled soon enough by either a failing economy or a court room's bailiff.
If you read French, check out Jacob Cohen's "Le Printemps des Sayanim".
Respectfully, I disagree with your very first point. Expressed public opinion toward Israel has changed MASSIVELY since 10/6/23. Ask Mr. Beinart if, before 10/6, he could have even imagined the amount of public support for Palestinian rights that has emerged since.
It will take time for that to result in political change, but it is definitely possible, and there is a hugely disparate likelihood of that happening depending on which candidate wins.
I've been alive considerably longer than Peter Beinart and dealing with this issue probably several decades longer than him. The attitudes towards Israel have changed more than massively. In the early 70's I was attacked and spit on more times than I care to remember by American Jews for simply and very mildly (for me) stating that Palestinians have human rights too. Back then I never imagined attitudes in the US would change as much as they already have. NO WAY. They haven't changed enough, obviously, since there are still a lot of American Jews (and goyim) who can watch Israel commit genocide and still defend Israel. My point is that it's too slow and it doesn't matter because the economy is going to FORCE a change in foreign policy. In fact, Israel may not be around to give money to. Be aware that the Zionist propaganda machine is in over-drive right now so unless you are listening to Resistance spokespeople and taking them seriously, you aren't dealing with the facts on the ground. Israel is going to be forced out of Lebanon, out of Gaza, out of the West Bank, and with all the hostilities it will fall in on itself. The more militaristic it behaves, the more push-back it will receive, the more Israeli Europeans and Americans will leave. That's the ruling and middle class. Without their fantasy Disneyland version of "the holy land", the state of Israel will cease to exist. It's just a wet dream with NO basis in reality. So it doesn't really matter who you vote for. It's DONE. My point is both the US and Israeli economies will effect the change needed before any political organizing will.
To update Noam Chomsky from four years ago: "Vote for [Harris] and then haunt [her] dreams."
Ignoring the benefit of a strong protest vote for Jill Stein in non swing states seems shortsighted and an example of marching in lockstep, however possibly reluctant, with Dem establishment glossing over of the crucial difference between winning the Electoral College and winning the popular vote. Calling for voters in swing states to vote for Harris is reasonable and even sound(however distasteful)but calling for a blanket vote for Harris in all states undermines this pressure point on the Zionist Dem establishment. The most damning assertion from a chat commenter on last week's call with Peter regards Harris being overruled by handlers or grandees to prevent Ruwa Romman from speaking at the convention. The Dem establishment by spitting in the face of its own, incidentally exceedingly moderate seeming supporter(I mean this positively)needs to feel its current and future majorities endangered til it moves on the issue of Palestine away from Zionism.
The more the Trump success wakes folks up to the total bankruptcy of our system maybe there is hope. We don't have a democracy-we have neocons running our foreign policy and corporations running things domestically. Unless we reform from within our foul empire building will continue. Maybe some suffering at home might make us a bit more sympathetic to our victims overseas.
Hi Peter, I’m so grateful to be here. I just sent a letter to Kamala through her WH portal and would really appreciate it if you might take a look at it and let me know what you think.,I know it’s last minute but I’m hoping it comes to her attention in time and that it might possibly make a difference. https://open.substack.com/pub/gracedenise/p/dear-vice-president-kamala-harris?r=vl637&utm_medium=ios
PS. I just upgraded to become one of your paid subscribers!