Just wow...So Israel is clearly a theocracy, Jewish state. Is this not discrimation? Even worse discrimination against the natives? Where's compassion? Equality?
Just wow...So Israel is clearly a theocracy, Jewish state. Is this not discrimation? Even worse discrimination against the natives? Where's compassion? Equality?
You are way off base. The Arabs who chose to stay in 1948 are now 20% of Israeli citizens. They vote, become doctors, have all the rights of every other Israeli citizen. The descendants of those who left in 1948 have no rights to return to anything except a new country of Palestine should they decide to have one.
Do you harbor hatred for the Palestinians? And if yes, is that hatred not displaced because they are innocent, have nothing to do with Holocaust which emanated and is fueled to date mainly by Christianity?
Any Israeli with open eyes knows that Israel has already been since itтАЩs inception a two-class society and, as Harari describes, the general public is moving from belief in a two-state solution to one state three-class society operating an apartheid state.
"You have just one country, between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean with three classes of people living there. Jews, who have all the rights; some Arabs, who have some rights; and other Arabs, who have very little or no rights," the Israeli author continued. "This is increasingly also the aspiration, or mindset of some people even in the government."
Nope thatтАЩs a flat out lie. Stop spreading the lie that Palestinian citizens of Israel have equal rights to Jews. They do not.
They are explicitly and systematically discriminated against via Knesset laws and government institutional practices when it comes to land, infrastructure, planning, education, healthcare, industry and economic resources, and much more.
Every person in my family in Israel and all the people I know there know this fact, that non-Jews, specifically Arabs in Israel, are discriminated against and do not have equal rights in the eyes of the government, not to mention all the racism and discrimination they suffer from in society. There is also no equal rights clause in the Basic Laws, thatтАЩs how the Knesset can pass laws discriminating against them and how government institutions can discriminate against them.
I donтАЩt know what warped reality you are living in but I donтАЩt think you know Israel at all and have likely never been there for an extended period of time, otherwise it would be obvious to you that itтАЩs a two class society in Israel. I would see it almost every day traveling and visiting family and friends there! ItтАЩs a deeply racist country when it comes to Arabs and Ethiopian Jews.
Okay, educate me. In what way are Arab citizens of Israel and Jewish citizens different under the eyes of the law? What legal rights are Arabs not entitled to?
HereтАЩs another discriminatory law against Palestinian citizens of Israel. Smaller towns in Israel have by law the right to decide to not allow Palestinians to live there for reasons of тАЬsocial suitabilityтАЭ, therefore continuing promoting segregation between Jews and Palestinians of Israel. This a a blatantly racist and bigoted law.
And last one highlighting from below because IтАЩm tired of looking these up, but this shows how blatantly discriminatory Israeli government is, they shut down any bill that would enshrine basic equal rights for all (and you can find the news that the y shut this down many places not just Al Jazeera this news is common knowledge)
IsraelтАЩs Basic Laws also bar political candidates and parties from advocating for a secular democracy in which all citizens are fully equal, regardless of their religion or ethnicity, by calling for an end to IsraelтАЩs system of Jewish privilege. In 2018, legislation calling for Israel to become a state based on full equality for all citizens introduced by Palestinian citizens of Israel was banned by a committee and prevented from even being debated by the Knesset. A Knesset legal advisor explained the bill was rejected because it included тАЬseveral articles that are meant to alter the character of the State of Israel from the nation-state of the Jewish people to a state in which there is equal status from the point of view of nationality for Jews and Arabs."
How can anyone come up with a non-racist or bigoted argument why everyone, regardless of ethnicity, religion, sex, sexual orientation, etc should not have full equal rights and equal participation of citizenship?
ItтАЩs because if they passed such a law then the Supreme Court of Israel would have to strike down all the racist laws they already have in place and the government would have a lot more trouble with the discriminatory practices they continue to execute against Palestinian citizens of Israel.
Rejected because of this nonstarter: "The proposed bill is aimed to negate key Israeli legislation called the тАЬLaw of ReturnтАЭ, which allows any Jew to become an Israeli citizen and take up residence in Israel." This is fundamental to the state of Israel and will never go away. It's a typical red herring by Palestinians to not address the real issue: their rejection of israel. They should instead accept Israel, accept having their own state next to Israel, and accept the right of return of descendants of Palestinian refugess from 1948 be to the new state of Palestine -- not to Israel.
Regardless if you feel better for trying to poke a hole in all IтАЩve sent I believe the major points stand, there is outright discrimination against Palestinian citizens of Israel by the specific laws and practices of government institutions. Particularly the land and resources practices are DEVASTATING to the Palestinian citizens in Israel.
And trust me if you went to Israel you would see it with your very eyes, the Palestinian cities are extremely crowded, built up and stacked with no room for greenery or anything. And they really are hemmed in thereтАЩs plenty of space around them but they arenтАЩt allowed to spread. But Jewish towns and cities look like from another world, they have tons of green areas, government resources, industry provided with government backing, housing thatтАЩs spread out with lots of land, and they grow and grow. You only need to see it with your eyes and itтАЩs clear that something not right is happening.
CAMERAтАж IтАЩve never seen them once not attack honest fact-based journalism that is critical of the Israeli government. Sorry thereтАЩs something wrong there!
CAMERAтАЩs goal is to hold media outlets accountable for accurate reporting and to combat anti-Israel bias in the media. They do a great job. My favorite are English translations to speeches of two-faced Palestinian leaders saying one thing to their people in Arabic and something completely opposite to the West.
The donтАЩt hold media outlets accountable really. They trash or criticize any news that is critical of Israel. Just because they might be in the right for letтАЩs say 10% of news articles that need correction or are biased, the other 90% of the news they trash where the news is accurate and fact based but critical of Israel doesnтАЩt mean then that they are a good organization. You should always be VERY WARY of any organization that always seems to fall on one side. CAMERA will trash or criticize any news that is critical of Israel no matter what. That should ring huge alarm bells to any critical thinker
You are being duped by that article, notice how they donтАЩt give any real overall numbers or percentages of land leases that the government or JNF has leased out to Palestinians citizens of Israel compared to Jews other than saying they can lease and given a few token examples?
They donтАЩt give any overall statistics about what percentage of lease applications have been turned down or approved compared to Jewish ones? Or over a period of time how much land in acres get leases approved to Jews compared to Palestinian citizens.
IтАЩm sorry this article does not even come close to the rigor and depth of data and analysis presented by the HRW report and corroborated by other news organizations.
Why is it then then that for a population of 21% of Israel they only control 3% of the land? Why is their urban density so much higher than Jewish towns and cities? You cannot hide from these facts.
And the author of your report is part of CAMERA a right-wing pro-Israel media pressure group that has played a hugely negative role in biasing the media coverage of the Israel Palestine conflict around the world.
I would summarize that article to тАЬCan Arabs buy land in Israel? On paper probably, but in reality good luck with that almost neverтАЭ. Remember how the Israeli government works, itтАЩs a game of attrition sure you might find examples of Arabs getting leases, but overall itтАЩs overwhelming on the Jewish side and way more Palestinian citizen lease apps are being denied or delayed compared to Jewish per capita. ItтАЩs so that people like you can get duped into thinking things are тАЬfairтАЭ when you see Palestinians get a little, when in fact this game of attrition means Jews over time get way more per capita than Palestinians in Israel.
Because all people occupy a small percentage the land. As of 2021, approximately 93% of the land in Israel is classified as rural, open space, or natural areas, while the remaining 7% is classified as urban land or infrastructure. Of the 7% that is urban, around 3% is developed with buildings and other structures, while the remaining 4% is classified as "other urban land," such as roads, parks, and industrial areas.
You are misunderstanding the fact or my apologizes if I wasnтАЩt clear enough. Only approximately 3% of land in Israel тАЬfalls under the jurisdiction of Palestinian municipalitiesтАЭ, not that they are living only on 3%. So for 21% of IsraelтАЩs population they only have jurisdictional control of 3% of the land.
When you look at any municipality in Israel, the land under its jurisdiction includes the urban areas, the residential, the parks, the agriculture, the industry, the open space, the infrastructure, etc. The area where people live is only a percentage of that. So the fact that the Palestinian citizens of Israel comprising 21% of the pop only have municipalities and land under their jurisdictional control covering 3% of Israel shows how much theyтАЩve been discriminated against in land and resources policy.
And the bullet points here are corroborated by many other organizations, so IтАЩm sorry you cannot say they are тАЬIMEU propagandaтАЭ. ItтАЩs not, this info has been reported by many news and human rights organizations across the political spectrum.
Or the Palestinian spouse barring law that has been in effect since 2003 and was renewed last year. Palestinians who are citizens of Israel cannot bring their spouses and families from the OPT into Israel to be together. This was blatantly racist and politicians had no problem saying they passed the law to make sure Jews retained demographic control. The security argument is total bullshit they of course could background check and likely already know who in the OPT is safe and could come to Israel.
Illegal Jewish settlers in the OPT do not seem to have this problem or laws against marrying and being with their spouses in Israel in any way? Hmm I wonder why?
Read here in chapters on тАЬLesser CitizensтАЭ and other chapters showing how Jewish towns, cities, and populations get almost all government resources while Palestinian towns and populations in Israel get very little resources, on purpose
UN OHCHR: Israel's Implementation of the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination: Institutional Discrimination affecting Persons without "Jewish Nationality"
HereтАЩs just one of the discriminatory practices against Palestinian citizens of Israel, but itтАЩs a HUGE and DEVASTATING one that effectively makes sure that Jews continue to have demographic control and effectively starves Palestinian cities in Israel of economic resources and the ability to grow.
And if you are going to make up some bullshit that you think HRW is political then I canтАЩt help you, what they write here is written about and corroborated by many other news and human rights organizations.
Just wow...So Israel is clearly a theocracy, Jewish state. Is this not discrimation? Even worse discrimination against the natives? Where's compassion? Equality?
You are way off base. The Arabs who chose to stay in 1948 are now 20% of Israeli citizens. They vote, become doctors, have all the rights of every other Israeli citizen. The descendants of those who left in 1948 have no rights to return to anything except a new country of Palestine should they decide to have one.
Know why. Already said because it's Jewish state.
Do you harbor hatred for the Palestinians? And if yes, is that hatred not displaced because they are innocent, have nothing to do with Holocaust which emanated and is fueled to date mainly by Christianity?
Good bye
Bye Richard
Any Israeli with open eyes knows that Israel has already been since itтАЩs inception a two-class society and, as Harari describes, the general public is moving from belief in a two-state solution to one state three-class society operating an apartheid state.
"You have just one country, between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean with three classes of people living there. Jews, who have all the rights; some Arabs, who have some rights; and other Arabs, who have very little or no rights," the Israeli author continued. "This is increasingly also the aspiration, or mindset of some people even in the government."
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/culture/article-723392
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2022-11-24/ty-article/.premium/yuval-noah-harari-israelis-support-three-classes-solution-to-palestinian-conflict/00000184-a924-de44-a9f4-bd6d7f8f0000
Nope thatтАЩs a flat out lie. Stop spreading the lie that Palestinian citizens of Israel have equal rights to Jews. They do not.
They are explicitly and systematically discriminated against via Knesset laws and government institutional practices when it comes to land, infrastructure, planning, education, healthcare, industry and economic resources, and much more.
Every person in my family in Israel and all the people I know there know this fact, that non-Jews, specifically Arabs in Israel, are discriminated against and do not have equal rights in the eyes of the government, not to mention all the racism and discrimination they suffer from in society. There is also no equal rights clause in the Basic Laws, thatтАЩs how the Knesset can pass laws discriminating against them and how government institutions can discriminate against them.
I donтАЩt know what warped reality you are living in but I donтАЩt think you know Israel at all and have likely never been there for an extended period of time, otherwise it would be obvious to you that itтАЩs a two class society in Israel. I would see it almost every day traveling and visiting family and friends there! ItтАЩs a deeply racist country when it comes to Arabs and Ethiopian Jews.
Okay, educate me. In what way are Arab citizens of Israel and Jewish citizens different under the eyes of the law? What legal rights are Arabs not entitled to?
HereтАЩs another discriminatory law against Palestinian citizens of Israel. Smaller towns in Israel have by law the right to decide to not allow Palestinians to live there for reasons of тАЬsocial suitabilityтАЭ, therefore continuing promoting segregation between Jews and Palestinians of Israel. This a a blatantly racist and bigoted law.
And last one highlighting from below because IтАЩm tired of looking these up, but this shows how blatantly discriminatory Israeli government is, they shut down any bill that would enshrine basic equal rights for all (and you can find the news that the y shut this down many places not just Al Jazeera this news is common knowledge)
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/6/5/knesset-disqualifies-bill-seeking-equal-status-for-jews-and-arabs
IsraelтАЩs Basic Laws also bar political candidates and parties from advocating for a secular democracy in which all citizens are fully equal, regardless of their religion or ethnicity, by calling for an end to IsraelтАЩs system of Jewish privilege. In 2018, legislation calling for Israel to become a state based on full equality for all citizens introduced by Palestinian citizens of Israel was banned by a committee and prevented from even being debated by the Knesset. A Knesset legal advisor explained the bill was rejected because it included тАЬseveral articles that are meant to alter the character of the State of Israel from the nation-state of the Jewish people to a state in which there is equal status from the point of view of nationality for Jews and Arabs."
How can anyone come up with a non-racist or bigoted argument why everyone, regardless of ethnicity, religion, sex, sexual orientation, etc should not have full equal rights and equal participation of citizenship?
ItтАЩs because if they passed such a law then the Supreme Court of Israel would have to strike down all the racist laws they already have in place and the government would have a lot more trouble with the discriminatory practices they continue to execute against Palestinian citizens of Israel.
Rejected because of this nonstarter: "The proposed bill is aimed to negate key Israeli legislation called the тАЬLaw of ReturnтАЭ, which allows any Jew to become an Israeli citizen and take up residence in Israel." This is fundamental to the state of Israel and will never go away. It's a typical red herring by Palestinians to not address the real issue: their rejection of israel. They should instead accept Israel, accept having their own state next to Israel, and accept the right of return of descendants of Palestinian refugess from 1948 be to the new state of Palestine -- not to Israel.
As to your continual referencing organizations and media hostile to Israel (https://wassermanschultz.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=2775), or Al Jazeera, the UN, etc., stop wasting your time. Read other sources that provide a more accurate portrayal.
Regardless if you feel better for trying to poke a hole in all IтАЩve sent I believe the major points stand, there is outright discrimination against Palestinian citizens of Israel by the specific laws and practices of government institutions. Particularly the land and resources practices are DEVASTATING to the Palestinian citizens in Israel.
And trust me if you went to Israel you would see it with your very eyes, the Palestinian cities are extremely crowded, built up and stacked with no room for greenery or anything. And they really are hemmed in thereтАЩs plenty of space around them but they arenтАЩt allowed to spread. But Jewish towns and cities look like from another world, they have tons of green areas, government resources, industry provided with government backing, housing thatтАЩs spread out with lots of land, and they grow and grow. You only need to see it with your eyes and itтАЩs clear that something not right is happening.
Once again, you are incorrect. Private land transactions are available to anyone, Jew or non-Jew. https://www.meforum.org/370/can-arabs-buy-land-in-israel
And you can hear more about CAMERA and other right wing pro-Israel media pressure groups in this video on Israel Palestine media bias
https://youtu.be/xNGf6vv_qaY
CAMERAтАж IтАЩve never seen them once not attack honest fact-based journalism that is critical of the Israeli government. Sorry thereтАЩs something wrong there!
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2016-09-05/ty-article/times-of-israel-cofounder-gave-1-5-million-to-right-wing-media-watchdog/0000017f-f089-d497-a1ff-f28919680000
CAMERAтАЩs goal is to hold media outlets accountable for accurate reporting and to combat anti-Israel bias in the media. They do a great job. My favorite are English translations to speeches of two-faced Palestinian leaders saying one thing to their people in Arabic and something completely opposite to the West.
The donтАЩt hold media outlets accountable really. They trash or criticize any news that is critical of Israel. Just because they might be in the right for letтАЩs say 10% of news articles that need correction or are biased, the other 90% of the news they trash where the news is accurate and fact based but critical of Israel doesnтАЩt mean then that they are a good organization. You should always be VERY WARY of any organization that always seems to fall on one side. CAMERA will trash or criticize any news that is critical of Israel no matter what. That should ring huge alarm bells to any critical thinker
You are being duped by that article, notice how they donтАЩt give any real overall numbers or percentages of land leases that the government or JNF has leased out to Palestinians citizens of Israel compared to Jews other than saying they can lease and given a few token examples?
They donтАЩt give any overall statistics about what percentage of lease applications have been turned down or approved compared to Jewish ones? Or over a period of time how much land in acres get leases approved to Jews compared to Palestinian citizens.
IтАЩm sorry this article does not even come close to the rigor and depth of data and analysis presented by the HRW report and corroborated by other news organizations.
Why is it then then that for a population of 21% of Israel they only control 3% of the land? Why is their urban density so much higher than Jewish towns and cities? You cannot hide from these facts.
And the author of your report is part of CAMERA a right-wing pro-Israel media pressure group that has played a hugely negative role in biasing the media coverage of the Israel Palestine conflict around the world.
I would summarize that article to тАЬCan Arabs buy land in Israel? On paper probably, but in reality good luck with that almost neverтАЭ. Remember how the Israeli government works, itтАЩs a game of attrition sure you might find examples of Arabs getting leases, but overall itтАЩs overwhelming on the Jewish side and way more Palestinian citizen lease apps are being denied or delayed compared to Jewish per capita. ItтАЩs so that people like you can get duped into thinking things are тАЬfairтАЭ when you see Palestinians get a little, when in fact this game of attrition means Jews over time get way more per capita than Palestinians in Israel.
Because all people occupy a small percentage the land. As of 2021, approximately 93% of the land in Israel is classified as rural, open space, or natural areas, while the remaining 7% is classified as urban land or infrastructure. Of the 7% that is urban, around 3% is developed with buildings and other structures, while the remaining 4% is classified as "other urban land," such as roads, parks, and industrial areas.
You are misunderstanding the fact or my apologizes if I wasnтАЩt clear enough. Only approximately 3% of land in Israel тАЬfalls under the jurisdiction of Palestinian municipalitiesтАЭ, not that they are living only on 3%. So for 21% of IsraelтАЩs population they only have jurisdictional control of 3% of the land.
When you look at any municipality in Israel, the land under its jurisdiction includes the urban areas, the residential, the parks, the agriculture, the industry, the open space, the infrastructure, etc. The area where people live is only a percentage of that. So the fact that the Palestinian citizens of Israel comprising 21% of the pop only have municipalities and land under their jurisdictional control covering 3% of Israel shows how much theyтАЩve been discriminated against in land and resources policy.
https://imeu.org/article/fact-sheet-palestinian-citizens-of-israel
And the bullet points here are corroborated by many other organizations, so IтАЩm sorry you cannot say they are тАЬIMEU propagandaтАЭ. ItтАЩs not, this info has been reported by many news and human rights organizations across the political spectrum.
тАЬIsrael as an Ethnic Democracy: Palestinian Citizens and the Fight for Equal RightsтАЭ
https://berkleycenter.georgetown.edu/responses/israel-as-an-ethnic-democracy-palestinian-citizens-and-the-fight-for-equal-rights
Or the Palestinian spouse barring law that has been in effect since 2003 and was renewed last year. Palestinians who are citizens of Israel cannot bring their spouses and families from the OPT into Israel to be together. This was blatantly racist and politicians had no problem saying they passed the law to make sure Jews retained demographic control. The security argument is total bullshit they of course could background check and likely already know who in the OPT is safe and could come to Israel.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-knesset-passes-law-barring-palestinian-spouses-2022-03-10/
Illegal Jewish settlers in the OPT do not seem to have this problem or laws against marrying and being with their spouses in Israel in any way? Hmm I wonder why?
Read here in chapters on тАЬLesser CitizensтАЭ and other chapters showing how Jewish towns, cities, and populations get almost all government resources while Palestinian towns and populations in Israel get very little resources, on purpose
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/
UN OHCHR: Israel's Implementation of the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination: Institutional Discrimination affecting Persons without "Jewish Nationality"
https://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/cerd/docs/ngos/jointngo4-ReportI-II.pdf
Israel has done a bad job and arenтАЩt even close to mimimizing institutional discrimination against non-Jews
HereтАЩs just one of the discriminatory practices against Palestinian citizens of Israel, but itтАЩs a HUGE and DEVASTATING one that effectively makes sure that Jews continue to have demographic control and effectively starves Palestinian cities in Israel of economic resources and the ability to grow.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/05/12/israel-discriminatory-land-policies-hem-palestinians
And if you are going to make up some bullshit that you think HRW is political then I canтАЩt help you, what they write here is written about and corroborated by many other news and human rights organizations.