Beinart, how dare you preach and pretend to know or care about what will make Jews safe. This essay is absolutely disgusting. You must know that you are partially to blame for all of this, correct?
Every time you promote the Palestinian narrative of “Israel's apartheid regime,” and that the Palestinians are "the victims of Jewish supremac…
Beinart, how dare you preach and pretend to know or care about what will make Jews safe. This essay is absolutely disgusting. You must know that you are partially to blame for all of this, correct?
Every time you promote the Palestinian narrative of “Israel's apartheid regime,” and that the Palestinians are "the victims of Jewish supremacy", and Zionism should not exist, and that Jews don't have a right to a state, and the blatant lie that 750,000 Palestinians were expelled in 1948, and that Israel exists on stolen land, every time you dehumanize Israelis as occupiers and colonizers and settlers and apartheid racists, you legitimize and justify Hamas and their unspeakable atrocities.
After all, you have made it pretty clear that you agree with Hamas that a world without Israel would be a better place, you just slightly disagree about how to get there.
If you don't actually approve of what happened this weekend, if you actually cared about the victims, you would write a full throated apology for everything you’ve done and said, delete this substack, and spend the rest of your life serving the poor of Israel in a soup kitchen. But if you can't handle that, maybe post a picture of a large check from you to Magen David Adom? I think $5,000 is a reasonable amount to start with, considering all the damage you've done? You should be begging for forgiveness from your fellow Jews right now, and you don't deserve any.
Do we really need Peter Beinart to promote the Palestinian narrative on “Israel’s apartheid regime.”? Anyone who can read will be able to decide by reading the reports below.
Sean, you must be ever so pleased that 900+ Zionist apartheid racists were put in the ground over the weekend. Did you join the parties in the streets?
Well, yes we do. Along with Avi Chlaim, Gideon Levy, Ilan Pappé, and a long list of Israeli and Jewish Mensches.
Because his voice has more chance, albeit slight, to give pause within his community. And also because he is an observant Jew. And also because he is an American Jew because Israel won't change until America conditions its support on human rights/civil rights. The sad truth is that. And, almost especially, because he has come from a 'right wing' place - he has 'made a journey' that many more Americans need to make. Despite that the mainstream media reports, more American Jews no longer support the Israel project.
His outspoken opinion, Sean, a chara, outweighs yours or mine in reversing this ongoing catastrophe sometime in a distant future.
In a roundabout way I was trying to defend Peter, by pointing out that many more commentators out there, some like the people you mentioned, hold similar views.
Israel has no such strategy. In fact a Palestinian talking point is that Israelis don't rape Palestinians because they are racist. Incidentally, anyone else remember when the left was opposed to "bothsidesism?"
The difference between the IDF and Hamas is that the United States gives the IDF billions of dollars of military aid every year to murder innocent civilians, while I don’t think Iran or whoever even has that much money to give Hamas.
Honestly it’s perversely impressive how many innocent civilians Hamas manages murder on the budget they have at their disposal.
The IDF could really learn a thing or two about being more economical than they currently are when they murder innocent civilians.
I should ask my Congresswoman to get the CBO to look into whether the IDF is wasting money on things other than just murdering innocent civilians, given how much more money the IDF has charged the US government for murdering innocent civilians.
Is that enough dialectical materialism for you? Hmmm?
The US has not given Israel a single cent to "murder innocent civilians" you shameless liar. And yes, please share with your Congressperson how impressed you are with Hamas' latest rape and murder spree. She'll probably join AIPAC out of sheer disgust.
You're bearing false witness against me. Hypocrite.
The IDF is an organization made up of many individual people, it is not a hivemind. You know perfectly well that unlike Hamas, the IDF has no policy in place to murder innocent civilians. Stay human.
Also, isn’t the “tu quoque” argument literally the same as whataboutism or bothsidesism? The fact that we’re both hypocrites doesn’t mean that you’re actually making a coherent point.
Also, every time someone complains about Hamas using the 50% of Gazans who are under 18 as human shields, they are saying this to excuse the IDF’s indiscriminate bombing of said human shields.
Honestly, at this point Israel should know better than using its own innocent civilians as human shields like they did this past weekend, given how much Hasbara they spread about how doing so is in violation of the Geneva Convention.
An educated guess isn’t a lie, and of the two of us one is using her real name and photo, while the other is, like, “trust me, bro, I’m totally not working a coordinated PR campaign”.
But, sure, Winters, I will stipulate that you’re a real person. I know this because you can’t get under skin of a chatbot the way I’ve clearly gotten yours (even if you’re not as good a writer as ChatGPT).
Whereas in my case I just got out of bed to pee, and I’m old enough that it takes a while to finish emptying my bladder before I put my phone away again.
Beinart, how dare you preach and pretend to know or care about what will make Jews safe. This essay is absolutely disgusting. You must know that you are partially to blame for all of this, correct?
Every time you promote the Palestinian narrative of “Israel's apartheid regime,” and that the Palestinians are "the victims of Jewish supremacy", and Zionism should not exist, and that Jews don't have a right to a state, and the blatant lie that 750,000 Palestinians were expelled in 1948, and that Israel exists on stolen land, every time you dehumanize Israelis as occupiers and colonizers and settlers and apartheid racists, you legitimize and justify Hamas and their unspeakable atrocities.
After all, you have made it pretty clear that you agree with Hamas that a world without Israel would be a better place, you just slightly disagree about how to get there.
If you don't actually approve of what happened this weekend, if you actually cared about the victims, you would write a full throated apology for everything you’ve done and said, delete this substack, and spend the rest of your life serving the poor of Israel in a soup kitchen. But if you can't handle that, maybe post a picture of a large check from you to Magen David Adom? I think $5,000 is a reasonable amount to start with, considering all the damage you've done? You should be begging for forgiveness from your fellow Jews right now, and you don't deserve any.
Do we really need Peter Beinart to promote the Palestinian narrative on “Israel’s apartheid regime.”? Anyone who can read will be able to decide by reading the reports below.
ESCWA report on Apartheid 2017
https://oldwebsite.palestine-studies.org/sites/default/files/ESCWA%202017%20%28Richard%20Falk%29%2C%20Apartheid.pdf
B’Tselem report on Apartheid January 2021
http://www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is_apartheid
HRW report on Apartheid April 2021.
A Threshold Crossed: Israeli Authorities and the Crimes ...Human Rights Watch
https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/10/04/time-recognize-reality-israeli-apartheid-persecution
Amnesty report on Apartheid Feb 21st, 2022.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde15/5141/2022/en/
Michael Lynk Report on Apartheid March 2022.
Israel’s 55-year occupation of Palestinian Territory is apartheid
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/03/israels-55-year-occupation-palestinian-territory-apartheid-un-human-rights
In Israel and the U.S., 'Apartheid' is the elephant in the room.
https://s2.washingtonpost.com/camp-rw/?trackId=596b5bf49bbc0f403f8f77bd&s=64d5b573fe751d11aef6bf76&linknum=5&linktot=77&linknum=5&linktot=77
Apartheid, International Law, and the Occupied Palestinian Territory
John Dugard, John Reynolds
European Journal of International Law, Volume 24, Issue 3, August 2013, Pages 867–913, https://doi.org/10.1093/ejil/cht045
25 September 2013
https://academic.oup.com/ejil/article/24/3/867/481600?login=false
Zionism is apartheid, and worse
BY JONATHAN OFIR AUGUST 7, 2017 185
https://mondoweiss.net/2017/08/zionism-apartheid-worse/
Sean, you must be ever so pleased that 900+ Zionist apartheid racists were put in the ground over the weekend. Did you join the parties in the streets?
Well, yes we do. Along with Avi Chlaim, Gideon Levy, Ilan Pappé, and a long list of Israeli and Jewish Mensches.
Because his voice has more chance, albeit slight, to give pause within his community. And also because he is an observant Jew. And also because he is an American Jew because Israel won't change until America conditions its support on human rights/civil rights. The sad truth is that. And, almost especially, because he has come from a 'right wing' place - he has 'made a journey' that many more Americans need to make. Despite that the mainstream media reports, more American Jews no longer support the Israel project.
His outspoken opinion, Sean, a chara, outweighs yours or mine in reversing this ongoing catastrophe sometime in a distant future.
In a roundabout way I was trying to defend Peter, by pointing out that many more commentators out there, some like the people you mentioned, hold similar views.
Either way, I entirely agree with your comments.
I know and appreciate that.
For irony, I dredged this from 2009: https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB123275572295011847
How Israel Helped to Spawn
Hamas
By Andrew Higgins
Jan. 24, 2009 12:01 am ET
Moshav Tekuma, Israel
Surveying the wreckage of a neighbor's bungalow hit by a Palestinian rocket, retired
Israeli official Avner Cohen traces the missile's trajectory back to an "enormous,
stupid mistake" made 30 years ago.
"Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel's creation," says Mr. Cohen, a Tunisian-born
Jew who worked in Gaza for more than two decades. Responsible for religious
affairs in the region until 1994, Mr. Cohen watched the Islamist movement take
shape, muscle aside secular Palestinian rivals and then morph into what is today
Hamas, a militant group that is sworn to Israel's destruction.
Instead of trying to curb Gaza's Islamists from the outset, says Mr. Cohen, Israel for
years tolerated and, in some cases, encouraged them as a counterweight to the
secular nationalists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and its dominant
faction, Yasser Arafat's Fatah. Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric
named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would
become Hamas. Sheikh Yassin continues to inspire militants today; during the
recent war in Gaza, Hamas fighters confronted Israeli troops with "Yassins,"
primitive rocket-propelled grenades named in honor of the cleric.
Last Saturday, after 22 days of war, Israel
announced a halt to the offensive. The
assault was Instead of trying to curb Gaza's Islamists from the outset, says Mr. Cohen, Israel for
years tolerated and, in some cases, encouraged them as a counterweight to the
secular nationalists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and its dominant
faction, Yasser Arafat's Fatah. Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric
named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would
become Hamas. Sheikh Yassin continues to inspire militants today; during the
recent war in Gaza, Hamas fighters confronted Israeli troops with "Yassins,"
primitive rocket-propelled grenades named in honor of the cleric.
Last Saturday, after 22 days of war, Israel
announced a halt to the offensive. The
assault was aimed at stopping Hamas rockets from falling on Israel. Prime Minister (....)
says Mr. Cohen, Israel for
years tolerated and, in some cases, encouraged them as a counterweight to the
secular nationalists of the Palestine Liberation Organization and its dominant
faction, Yasser Arafat's Fatah. Israel cooperated with a crippled, half-blind cleric
named Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, even as he was laying the foundations for what would
become Hamas. Sheikh Yassin continues to inspire militants today; during the
recent war in Gaza, Hamas fighters confronted Israeli troops with "Yassins,"
primitive rocket-propelled grenades named in honor of the cleric.
Last Saturday, after 22 days of war, Israel
announced a halt to the offensive. The
assault was aimed at stopping Hamas rockets from falling on Israel. Prime Minister (...)
You know, I for one am glad that history vindicated the Bolsheviks, and we are all living in a global Communist utopia.
By which I mean that if you’ve been doing something for a century or so, and it still isn’t working, then maybe it’s never going to work.
Yes Elsie, this Palestinian strategy of "murder and rape Jews until they are nicer to us" doesn't seem to be working. Good observation!
Yes, clearly the strategy is mutual. The fact that you seem to think mutual destruction is a good thing is the real problem here.
Israel has no such strategy. In fact a Palestinian talking point is that Israelis don't rape Palestinians because they are racist. Incidentally, anyone else remember when the left was opposed to "bothsidesism?"
The difference between the IDF and Hamas is that the United States gives the IDF billions of dollars of military aid every year to murder innocent civilians, while I don’t think Iran or whoever even has that much money to give Hamas.
Honestly it’s perversely impressive how many innocent civilians Hamas manages murder on the budget they have at their disposal.
The IDF could really learn a thing or two about being more economical than they currently are when they murder innocent civilians.
I should ask my Congresswoman to get the CBO to look into whether the IDF is wasting money on things other than just murdering innocent civilians, given how much more money the IDF has charged the US government for murdering innocent civilians.
Is that enough dialectical materialism for you? Hmmm?
The US has not given Israel a single cent to "murder innocent civilians" you shameless liar. And yes, please share with your Congressperson how impressed you are with Hamas' latest rape and murder spree. She'll probably join AIPAC out of sheer disgust.
Wait, are you saying that when the IDF murders innocent civilians, they’re doing it for free?!?
I mean I knew Bibi was convicted for embezzlement, but I didn’t know he was *that* corrupt.
You're bearing false witness against me. Hypocrite.
The IDF is an organization made up of many individual people, it is not a hivemind. You know perfectly well that unlike Hamas, the IDF has no policy in place to murder innocent civilians. Stay human.
Okay, I’m done peeing. Talk to you in six hours or so, Winters! It’s been as dubious a pleasure as always!
Hope you don't have any Hamas sex dreams. Or maybe you hope you do?
Also, isn’t the “tu quoque” argument literally the same as whataboutism or bothsidesism? The fact that we’re both hypocrites doesn’t mean that you’re actually making a coherent point.
Also, every time someone complains about Hamas using the 50% of Gazans who are under 18 as human shields, they are saying this to excuse the IDF’s indiscriminate bombing of said human shields.
Honestly, at this point Israel should know better than using its own innocent civilians as human shields like they did this past weekend, given how much Hasbara they spread about how doing so is in violation of the Geneva Convention.
Please explain how the babies beheaded by Hamas were 'human shields.' This should be good. Be sure to cite international law!
An educated guess isn’t a lie, and of the two of us one is using her real name and photo, while the other is, like, “trust me, bro, I’m totally not working a coordinated PR campaign”.
But, sure, Winters, I will stipulate that you’re a real person. I know this because you can’t get under skin of a chatbot the way I’ve clearly gotten yours (even if you’re not as good a writer as ChatGPT).
Whereas in my case I just got out of bed to pee, and I’m old enough that it takes a while to finish emptying my bladder before I put my phone away again.
Kind of making his point for him tbh.