I just read the comments section. OMG, Peter! Maybe we are in the twilight zone. I wish you strength and power. I find your honesty inspiring. Truth, and the golden rule are my mottos. Unfortunately both are becoming scarcer and scarcer in the world today.
I just read the comments section. OMG, Peter! Maybe we are in the twilight zone. I wish you strength and power. I find your honesty inspiring. Truth, and the golden rule are my mottos. Unfortunately both are becoming scarcer and scarcer in the world today.
Jim, I donтАЩt think they do. I think they have de-humanized Palestinians, and that makes it okay for them. They are high on self-righteousness and indignation. Indignation of perceived danger coming from the Palestinians. They have been fed an altered version of history and facts about the eatablishment of Israel with the US, UK, and UN. They think Israel established all by itself and can make up any rules it wants, international conventions and laws be damned. They are so puffed up, that they are on a spiral of tit-for-tat, revenge, always, escalating. Both sides do this, of course. It is our monkey brains. To stop the spiral is risky, but it is the only way to bring the world into enlightenment. The kind of resolution Peter envisions would require Jews to not only think of IsraelтАЩs best interest, but also how to make an economically viable, resource-containing state for the Palestinians so that they may also have a good life. If Jewish leaders in Israel would stop the hasbara, start feeding the public positive statements about the Palestinians, stop locking up or killing potential good Palestinian leaders, and then retreat from the majority of the WB leaving it to those leaders they have stopped locking up, the world would be a different place. Other Arab countries would no longer be hostile to Israel. But, Israel and the CIA have, over the past 70 years, encouraged Islamic extremist theology to make their case for a greater Israel and American funds for weapons. The founders of Israel only thought of their own people. They did not wish their neighbours, or the people whose land they invaded, anything good. They wanted it all.
Cass, you are aware Palestinians were slaughtering Jewish children decades before Israel was even established, right? I don't think we're the ones you should be lecturing about dehumanization.
...and vice versa, you know, right? The main difference between Haganah (or Lehi or Irgun) and the PLO (or Hamas) is that the former were politically convenient for the United States and Western Europe to recognize as legitimate (despite, you know, massacres of civilians), while the latter were not (...for massacres of civilians). Ain't nobody the "good guys" here, so maybe take your crocodile tears elsewhere? Pshhhh!
So you admit the PLO and Hamas massacre civilians? Do you agree with me then that it is not Israel who should be lectured about dehumanization?
Also the main difference between the Lehi/Irgun and Hamas/PLO is that the former hasnтАЩt existed for 70 years or more while the latter continues to slaughter civilians today. But I know you donтАЩt care about murdered children, because youтАЩre a Palestine supporter.
The PLO and Hamas do not AFAIK massacre civilians. The PLO used to be a terrorist organization... like fifty years ago, but now they're for all intents and purposes part of the Israeli government. Are you trying to relitigate the Camp David Accord here? I'm not familiar enough with the history of Hamas to elaborate there, but they certainly aren't doing much cooped up in Gaza.
Your original point was that "Palestinians were slaughtering Jewish children decades before Israel was even established", and yet you failed to point out that Hamas and the PLO *did not exist* back then, which suggests your intention in breaking down my analogy is not entirely in good faith. You could do a lot better if your intention is indeed to try and call out double standards in other people's arguments, you know.
By contrast, of course, Haganah continues to exist (as the IDF) and continues to kill Palestinian children.
If you believe that then you truly know nothing about the PLO and Hamas. The PLO performed many massacred in Lebanon alone, and Hamas was the principal driver behind the suicide bomber campaign during the Second Intifada.
And do you seriously believe that the Palestinians are not capable of slaughtering Jewish children without the PLO and Hamas there to direct them? Because that is far from the case. I suggest you begin your education here:
I agree with you that Palestine massacres civilians and Palestinians have done so before Israel was even founded. And we are discussing it because your friends insist on blaming the victims and accusing those victims of тАЬdehumanizingтАЭ their own murderers. Any comments on that?
And indeed you agree that Israel massacres civilians and Zionists have done so before Israel was even founded.
And we are discussing it because you think that I have friends lol. Everyone here is out to get you! We have a group DM plotting you downfall at this exact moment!
Anyway, you mostly seem to dislike that IтАЩm using a consistent standard, since as we all know, applying a double standard to Israel is antisemitic. Are you antisemitic?
I realize Peter is calling for one-state, but the philosophy is the same: donтАЩt just think of your own self-interest, think of the needs of the other people too
You wrote, "Lots of people here who love the slaughter and rights violations committed by Israel on a daily basis." Who exactly are you talking about and why do you think they love the things you say they do?
It looks more to me like you're the one trolling and smearing everyone who disagrees with you by making stuff up about people. Pretty pathetic to be honest.
I just read the comments section. OMG, Peter! Maybe we are in the twilight zone. I wish you strength and power. I find your honesty inspiring. Truth, and the golden rule are my mottos. Unfortunately both are becoming scarcer and scarcer in the world today.
I join you; we are in the twilight zone, and I also wish Peter the strength to be who he is. Thanks
Lots of people here who love the slaughter and rights violations committed by Israel on a daily basis.
Jim, I donтАЩt think they do. I think they have de-humanized Palestinians, and that makes it okay for them. They are high on self-righteousness and indignation. Indignation of perceived danger coming from the Palestinians. They have been fed an altered version of history and facts about the eatablishment of Israel with the US, UK, and UN. They think Israel established all by itself and can make up any rules it wants, international conventions and laws be damned. They are so puffed up, that they are on a spiral of tit-for-tat, revenge, always, escalating. Both sides do this, of course. It is our monkey brains. To stop the spiral is risky, but it is the only way to bring the world into enlightenment. The kind of resolution Peter envisions would require Jews to not only think of IsraelтАЩs best interest, but also how to make an economically viable, resource-containing state for the Palestinians so that they may also have a good life. If Jewish leaders in Israel would stop the hasbara, start feeding the public positive statements about the Palestinians, stop locking up or killing potential good Palestinian leaders, and then retreat from the majority of the WB leaving it to those leaders they have stopped locking up, the world would be a different place. Other Arab countries would no longer be hostile to Israel. But, Israel and the CIA have, over the past 70 years, encouraged Islamic extremist theology to make their case for a greater Israel and American funds for weapons. The founders of Israel only thought of their own people. They did not wish their neighbours, or the people whose land they invaded, anything good. They wanted it all.
Cass, you are aware Palestinians were slaughtering Jewish children decades before Israel was even established, right? I don't think we're the ones you should be lecturing about dehumanization.
...and vice versa, you know, right? The main difference between Haganah (or Lehi or Irgun) and the PLO (or Hamas) is that the former were politically convenient for the United States and Western Europe to recognize as legitimate (despite, you know, massacres of civilians), while the latter were not (...for massacres of civilians). Ain't nobody the "good guys" here, so maybe take your crocodile tears elsewhere? Pshhhh!
So you admit the PLO and Hamas massacre civilians? Do you agree with me then that it is not Israel who should be lectured about dehumanization?
Also the main difference between the Lehi/Irgun and Hamas/PLO is that the former hasnтАЩt existed for 70 years or more while the latter continues to slaughter civilians today. But I know you donтАЩt care about murdered children, because youтАЩre a Palestine supporter.
Congratulations, you broke my analogy.
The PLO and Hamas do not AFAIK massacre civilians. The PLO used to be a terrorist organization... like fifty years ago, but now they're for all intents and purposes part of the Israeli government. Are you trying to relitigate the Camp David Accord here? I'm not familiar enough with the history of Hamas to elaborate there, but they certainly aren't doing much cooped up in Gaza.
Your original point was that "Palestinians were slaughtering Jewish children decades before Israel was even established", and yet you failed to point out that Hamas and the PLO *did not exist* back then, which suggests your intention in breaking down my analogy is not entirely in good faith. You could do a lot better if your intention is indeed to try and call out double standards in other people's arguments, you know.
By contrast, of course, Haganah continues to exist (as the IDF) and continues to kill Palestinian children.
If you believe that then you truly know nothing about the PLO and Hamas. The PLO performed many massacred in Lebanon alone, and Hamas was the principal driver behind the suicide bomber campaign during the Second Intifada.
And do you seriously believe that the Palestinians are not capable of slaughtering Jewish children without the PLO and Hamas there to direct them? Because that is far from the case. I suggest you begin your education here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre?wprov=sfti1
I can see why you gravitate to Peter Beinart. He is short on facts as well.
Congratulations, you agree with me that both sides of the conflict have massacred civilians. What were we arguing about, again?
I agree with you that Palestine massacres civilians and Palestinians have done so before Israel was even founded. And we are discussing it because your friends insist on blaming the victims and accusing those victims of тАЬdehumanizingтАЭ their own murderers. Any comments on that?
And indeed you agree that Israel massacres civilians and Zionists have done so before Israel was even founded.
And we are discussing it because you think that I have friends lol. Everyone here is out to get you! We have a group DM plotting you downfall at this exact moment!
Anyway, you mostly seem to dislike that IтАЩm using a consistent standard, since as we all know, applying a double standard to Israel is antisemitic. Are you antisemitic?
They are evil. Not complicated.
I realize Peter is calling for one-state, but the philosophy is the same: donтАЩt just think of your own self-interest, think of the needs of the other people too
No one here said anything in support of slaughter or rights violations. Project much?
I said it. You really this dense or does faking it help you avoid reality?
So you're the only one here supporting slaughter and rights violations. Thanks for admitting it.
English not your first language obviously. No doubt another troll paid by Zionist government to propagandize on internet. What a pathetic "job".
You wrote, "Lots of people here who love the slaughter and rights violations committed by Israel on a daily basis." Who exactly are you talking about and why do you think they love the things you say they do?
It looks more to me like you're the one trolling and smearing everyone who disagrees with you by making stuff up about people. Pretty pathetic to be honest.