Well, all comparisons are flawed. But you seem to forget that in 1967 Israel was surrounded by armies calling for its imminent destruction. Ukraine never called (or tried) to destroy Russia. The fact of the matter is that Israelis are entitled to self-determination according to the International Court of Justice.
Well, all comparisons are flawed. But you seem to forget that in 1967 Israel was surrounded by armies calling for its imminent destruction. Ukraine never called (or tried) to destroy Russia. The fact of the matter is that Israelis are entitled to self-determination according to the International Court of Justice.
Arguing that Israel would not cease to exist if Jews were to be stripped of this right is akin to saying that France would keep existing "without supremacy" if it were forced to merge with Germany.
Or, as you so eloquently put it, because I am a potty-mouth poopy-face. Truly the crème de la crème of argumentation. Socrates himself would be blinded by your brilliance.
Oh, and as far as unflattering comparisons go, both Russia and Ukraine have literal neonazis, which, uh, kind of makes it difficult to compare either of them with Israel. (Yes, Israel had Patrol 36, but Patrol 36 is incomprehensibly weird, and anyway it only consisted of nine people and has been defunct since 2007.)
If we’re going to continue with the Russia-Ukraine comparisons, Russia is currently militarily occupying Ukraine, while Israel since 1967 has been militarily occupying the West Bank. No, the West Bank isn’t an internationally recognized state in the way that Ukraine is, but it’s hard to deny the fact that Israel is militarily occupying the territory many Israelis see as the future Palestinian state, while even the most die-hard Zionists (ie the minority that wants to annex the West Bank) would have a hard time saying that the Palestinian Authority is militarily occupying anything. (No, Gaza doesn’t really fit into this analogy. As you have concurred, all analogies are imperfect.)
Another comparison could be that Russia has nuclear weapons, and Ukraine does not, while Israel… might(?) have nuclear weapons, and the PA and Hamas emphatically do not. Sure, Palestine has friends abroad who do have nuclear weapons (namely Pakistan, to an extent), but Pakistan isn’t exactly pulling a NATO and stationing missiles on a border with Israel (in no small part due to the fact that Pakistan and Israel are thousands of miles apart).
Well, all comparisons are flawed. But you seem to forget that in 1967 Israel was surrounded by armies calling for its imminent destruction. Ukraine never called (or tried) to destroy Russia. The fact of the matter is that Israelis are entitled to self-determination according to the International Court of Justice.
Arguing that Israel would not cease to exist if Jews were to be stripped of this right is akin to saying that France would keep existing "without supremacy" if it were forced to merge with Germany.
You’re 100% right Bernard, don’t listen to Elsie she has already shown she knows less than nothing about this issue.
Or, as you so eloquently put it, because I am a potty-mouth poopy-face. Truly the crème de la crème of argumentation. Socrates himself would be blinded by your brilliance.
If you say so.
Oh, and as far as unflattering comparisons go, both Russia and Ukraine have literal neonazis, which, uh, kind of makes it difficult to compare either of them with Israel. (Yes, Israel had Patrol 36, but Patrol 36 is incomprehensibly weird, and anyway it only consisted of nine people and has been defunct since 2007.)
If we’re going to continue with the Russia-Ukraine comparisons, Russia is currently militarily occupying Ukraine, while Israel since 1967 has been militarily occupying the West Bank. No, the West Bank isn’t an internationally recognized state in the way that Ukraine is, but it’s hard to deny the fact that Israel is militarily occupying the territory many Israelis see as the future Palestinian state, while even the most die-hard Zionists (ie the minority that wants to annex the West Bank) would have a hard time saying that the Palestinian Authority is militarily occupying anything. (No, Gaza doesn’t really fit into this analogy. As you have concurred, all analogies are imperfect.)
Another comparison could be that Russia has nuclear weapons, and Ukraine does not, while Israel… might(?) have nuclear weapons, and the PA and Hamas emphatically do not. Sure, Palestine has friends abroad who do have nuclear weapons (namely Pakistan, to an extent), but Pakistan isn’t exactly pulling a NATO and stationing missiles on a border with Israel (in no small part due to the fact that Pakistan and Israel are thousands of miles apart).